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May 12, 2005

TOO HIP

Do you think this has anything to do with this? Hollywood screenwriters have filed a class action suit, saying the industry discriminates against writers over 40, placing a premium on youth & hipness:

"Nearly 75 percent of writers within the guild age 30 or younger were employed in 1997, vs. 46 percent of those in their 40s and 32 percent of those in their 50s."

cbmay12.jpgThis goes a long way towards explaining the sorry product coming out of Hollywood in today's dumbed-down, youth-oriented market. Writing is a craft that takes years to learn, & having something to say about the human condition is something that requires some living. It also dovetails with the very low status of writers in Hollywood, which falls somewhere below spokesmodels.

Today writing isn't even viewed as a particular talent. When Sean Penn or Wilmer Valderrama announces they're writing a script, no one bats an eye, because anyone can do it, right? But imagine the reaction if Joe Eszterhas or Roger Simon announced they were going to star in a movie - are they crazy, have they had any training??

A random list of scripts that would have had trouble in today's Hollywood because the writers were over the hill:

Rainman by Ron Bass (written at age 46) 
A Fish Called Wanda by John Cleese (49)
Kramer vs Kramer by Robert Benton (47)
The Jazz Singer by Alfred Cohn (47)
Norma Rae by Harriet Frank (62)
Midnight Cowboy by Waldo Salt (55)
True Grit by Marguerite Roberts (64)
Deathtrap by Jay Allen (60)
They Shoot Horses Don't They by James Poe (48) & Robert Thompson (43)
Alice's Restaurant by Arthur Penn (47)
Bridge on the River Kwai by Michael Wilson  & Carl Foreman (both 43)
Vertigo by Samuel Taylor (46)
Patton by Edmund North (59)
North by Northwest by Ernest Lehman (44)
Network by Paddy Chayefsky (53)
The Apartment by Billy Wilder (54) & I.A.L. Diamond (40)
Hannah & Her Sisters by Woody Allen (51)
Bladerunner by David Peoples (42)
Gone With the Wind by Sidney Howard (48)
American Beauty by Alan Ball (42)
The Crying Game by Neil Jordan (42)
Chariots of Fire by Colin Welland (47)
Dog Day Afternoon by Frank Pierson (50)
Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind by Charlie Kaufman (46)
Gosford Park by Julian Fellowes (52)
Guess Who's Coming to Dinner by William Rose (49)
Young Frankenstein by Mel Brooks (48)
In the Heat of the Night by Sterling Silliphant (54)
Cape Fear by James Webb (52)
The Pianist by Ron Harwood (68)
The Great Dictator by Charlie Chaplin (51)
Johnny Got His Gun by Dalton Trumbo (66)
The Philadelphia Story by Donald Ogden Stewart (46)
Missing by Costa Gavras (49) & Donald Stewart (52)
The Best Years of Our Lives by Robert E. Sherwood (50)
McCabe & Mrs. Miller by Robert Altman (46) & Brian McKay (45)
The Postman Always Rings Twice by Harry Ruskin (52)
Imitation of Life by Eleanore Griffin (55) & Allan Scott (53)
San Francisco by Anita Loos (48)
Casualties of War by David Rabe (49)
Gaslight by John Balderston (55), John Van Druten (43), & Walter Reisch (41)
The African Queen by James Agee (42) & John Huston (45)
When Harry Met Sally by Nora Ephron (48)
Strangers on a Train by Raymond Chandler (63) & Whitfield Cook (42)
The Turning Point by Arthur Laurents (59)
Notorious by Ben Hecht (52), Alfred Hitchcock (47), & Clifford Odets (40)
The French Lieutenant's Woman by Harold Pinter (51)
Shadow of a Doubt by Thorton Wilder (46) & Alma Reville (aka Mrs. Alfred Hitchcock, 44) & Sally Benson (46)
Scent of a Woman by Bo Goldman (60)
The Three Faces of Eve by Nunnally Johnson (60)
The Exorcist by William Peter Blatty (45)
The Talk of the Town by Dale Van Every (46)
MASH by Ring Lardner Jr (55)
The Bad Seed by John Lee Mahin (54)
Mata Hari (Garbo) by Leo Birinsky (49) & Benjamin Glazer (44)
The Bridge of San Luis Rey by Howard Estabrook (60) & Thornton Wilder (47)
Road to Morocco by Frank Butler (52) & Don Hartman (42)
The Russians Are Coming by William Rose (48)
Pennies from Heaven by Dennis Potter (46)
The Grifters by Donald Westlake (57)

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Horton Foote--"To Kill A Mockingbird" at 46 and "The Trip To Bountiful" at 69.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 03:01 AM

Wow, great research for that list!

Posted by: Jonathan at May 12, 2005 03:45 AM

There wouldn't be personal reasons for this post, would there? ;)

Posted by: scottm at May 12, 2005 04:47 AM

Boy, you old people are cranky.

Posted by: iowahawk at May 12, 2005 05:15 AM

The utter lack of creativity is also shown by your prior post about "season of sequels." Can't think of anything original? Let's recycle some 70s dreck like Dukes of Hazard! Great Idea! I'm a heavy moviegoer but this year the only things I've seen have been Ridley Scottt's disaster and previously commented on German flick "Downfall". (non-Hollywood & outstanding) Looking at the release list for the year I'm not surprised Hollywood is worried -- they should be. Hey, I see another parallel (tongue in cheek). Which political party is out of power and ideas and just recycling the same old 70s crap? Is it coincidence that most Hollywood types belong to that party?

Posted by: Redhand [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 05:45 AM

Planet of the Apes (original) Rod Serling 44

Posted by: Darleen at May 12, 2005 06:36 AM

This goes a long way towards explaining the sorry product coming out of Hollywood in today's dumbed-down, youth-oriented market.

It's that cheap source called the Nickelodeon Farm Team...

Posted by: Pappy at May 12, 2005 07:59 AM

Unfortunately, music can be filed under the same category, if not more so. A band comes out with a couple of hits, and they are expected to play with the same fervency within their 20-something image for eternity. The Rolling Stones are making another pass in their 60's, however, what new music have they put out lately? When have they taken all the years they put into music and put something new out that blew anyone's mind. People only want to hear what they played 30 years ago.

Without the maturity and experience of years of playing, we are left with 3 chords, bad hair, and 3 minute pop tunes.

Anyway, who's looking forward to the new "XXX" movie? Anyone....anyone....?

Posted by: TF6S at May 12, 2005 08:39 AM

Hollywood is notorious for wanting something 'new' that's just like everything else out there. If you were pitching a movie, you would NEVER use the word original. And the remakes are terrible. Darleen is right, Serling's script for Planet of the Apes was brilliant, & the ending was his own invention. Compare that with the dreadful remake (with that charismatic leading man, Marky Mark)

Posted by: beautifulatrocities [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 09:23 AM

When my GF moved to this country, she started watching all the American movies she could get her hands on. One impression she came away with was that there'd been a staggering decline in storytelling and character from the 70s to the present. Some honorable exceptions, obviously, but in general she thought major releases were a lot more simplistic and stupider than they used to be.

And one other thing: If Hollywood turns just one more forgettable Sixties sitcom currently running on Nick into a big budget picture, I will not be responsible for my actions. You have been warned.

Posted by: utron at May 12, 2005 09:58 AM

I'm still suffering from the vapors as a result of the Bad News Bears remake -- even though it's Richard Linklater (which might be it's only saving grace; he tends to be respectful of the source material).

Been running a series of lists on my site of "movies people really should see before they can even address me socially" (or some such), and I've been astounded at how few people have seen. Thankfully, though, my readers tend to beminded and many of them have recently signed up for NetFlix or thrown big bucks at Amazon.

I should get a commission.

But re: the age thing... Yeah, I've heard about this for years -- originally, I think, in the context of Sex in the City, where the writers were older, Hollywood castoffs.

Hollywood movies and teleplays have certainly suffered from this youth turn. I was saying to someone yesterday that I'd much rather watch some bad 70s movie (like, say, Orca) than most of what comes out today (insert name of live-action film based on TV show here).

Posted by: Jeff G at May 12, 2005 11:48 AM

I was just watching a good documentary about Coppola's American Zoetrope foray the other night (on the bonus disc to THX-1138) and either he, Spielberg, or Lucas noted that before "Easy Rider" blew things wide it was rare to find anyone on set who was under 40. Old guys were everywhere. When Coppola was filming Finian's Rainbow for a big studio, he befriended his insulting rival George Lucas who was hanging around the set simply because he was the only other 'young' guy in sight.

Posted by: Logical Meme at May 12, 2005 02:37 PM

David Duchovny just wrote, directed (and I think may have financed but I'm not too sure) his vanity project House of D. In fact, he claims he wrote it in 6 days.

The reviews aren't going too well.

Posted by: Daniel at May 12, 2005 03:12 PM

Some current, employed writers:

Paul Haggis (Crash, Million Dollar Baby) 52 -

Charlie Kaufman (Being John Malkovich, Eternal sunshine of the spotless mind) 46 -

Brad Bird (The Incredibles) 48-ish -

Mike Leigh (Vera Drake) 52 -

Alexader Payne (About Schmidt, Sideways) 44 -

Richard Linklater (Dazed and Confused, Before Sunset) 44 -

David Magee (Finding Neverland) 42-ish -

Patrick Marber (Closer) 40 -

Denys Arcand (The Barbarian Invasions) 43 -

Brian Helgeland (Mystic River) 44-ish -

Jim Sheridan (In America) 56 -

Peter Hedges (Pieces of April) 42 -

Pedro Almodóvar (Talk to Her, Bad Education) 55 -

Todd Haynes (Far From Heaven) 44 -

Ronald Harwood (The Pianist, Being Julia) 70 -

David Hare (The Hours) 57 -


Could it be that those other writers just suck?

Posted by: JP at May 12, 2005 03:22 PM

Of course there are writers of all ages writing in Hollywood. But the Writers Guild survey suggests there's something else going on, which doesn't surprise now that MBAs are running the business & the whole industry is tilted towards a young audience. I'm not a sucker for class action suits or conspiracies but this one's been kicked around for a while & seems credible to me. The people running the business don't put much value in the craft of writing, so why not get a young model that's 'hip' to the latest singer, soft drink, clothing line, jargon, etc. It's probably worse in TV than the movie studios

Posted by: beautifulatrocities [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 03:30 PM

Pay 'em a lot less to be 'hip', too.

Posted by: Pappy at May 12, 2005 05:46 PM

Oh thank you, thank you, thank you for this post: I just turned 45 and this makes me want to say "WooHoo!" instead of, "Oh no. I'm getting old." BTW, I don't watch too much TV these days as it is so vapid. Cheers, SF

Posted by: Susan at May 12, 2005 07:40 PM

I still feel underaccomplished when I realize that Orson Welles was 26 when Citizen Kane came out, and Kenneth Branagh was 29 for Henry V, and Benchley and Spielberg were 35 and 29 respectively for Jaws.

Posted by: Joe R. the Unabrewer [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 09:51 PM

It's all relative. Tolkien was 45 when he published his first book

Posted by: beautifulatrocities [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 12, 2005 09:55 PM

Sparky Anderson was like, 90, when he won his first World Series with the Reds.

Well, he looked like he was anyway....

Posted by: Daniel at May 12, 2005 10:00 PM

While we're on the topic of age, I have turned my 76 year old mother onto your 'blog.

Posted by: Susan at May 12, 2005 10:06 PM

I hope she's not . . . sensitive.

Posted by: Attila Girl at May 13, 2005 05:14 AM

I'm not so sure that hipness is the explanation. I suspect it's more that the powers that be have their eyes focussed on world-wide distribution. Things like smart dialogue and interesting plots typically don't translate well. Sex and violence do. And they don't require much writing.

I suspect that trends in acting theory have something to do with it, too. “The method” and Mamet-style acting (and dialogue) tend to encourage improvisation which, in turn, de-emphasizes written dialogue.

Posted by: Dave Schuler [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 13, 2005 06:49 AM

I think the attitude, esp in TV, is 'we want the hip young audience, so we need hip young writers'. Which makes no sense because any writer worth their weight can write about anything, & writing with a contemporary eye is no different than writing a period piece, only the attitude & details change.

I wrote a post about teenage girls, League of Mean Girls, & people thought I knew a lot about teen girls. But I knew NOTHING about them. I just went to a couple of teen forums, read what people were talking about, & made up the rest.

It's also true what Dave says, in film the emphasis is movies that can play overseas, so you want more action & less pesky dialogue.

Posted by: beautifulatrocities [TypeKey Profile Page] at May 13, 2005 07:16 AM

My belief: dialogue is not a big part of screenwriting. The critical parts are the story arc and the characters, and those don't change if actors improv some of the dialogue. Story is key irrespective.

I agree that the business has been taken over by MBAs; my husband tells me they don't understand the entertainment industry as being different from any other business. "For the most part," he explains, "they could be making widgets." (There are some exceptions, of course: a friend of ours just got a job at one of the big studios, armed with an MBA from University of Chicago. But she'd worked in the business before, and at least has an understanding of how the creative process unfolds.)

I disagree with the notion that "hipness" isn't part of the issue: the idiots who run the studios do have a sort of romance about how young people will be more abreast of pop culture and have a "fresher" approach.

And you're right: writers are supposed to be able to observe cultures and absorb the details they need to do their work. And the older they get, the better they are at it.

But, again: studios are run by studio execs. Very unfortunate, for the creative people involved and movie/TV consumers.

My favorite story about the young idiots who run Hollywood: Natalie Schafer, who played Mrs. Howell on Gilligan's Island, went to an audition after decades in the business and was interviewed by a twenty-something whod the discussion with "so. What have you done?"

Ms. Schafer smiled and replied, "you first."

Posted by: Attila Girl at May 13, 2005 06:19 PM

Hey, don't forget my hero, Alvin Sargent, over 70, who wrote lots of great films, like Spiderman 2 (which is why it was good).

If my rejection letters keep coming for another couple years, I can be some studio's token old person!

Posted by: PJ at May 14, 2005 01:08 PM

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